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Rich1e
08-02-2008, 04:09 PM
Ok, considering my last thread deviated a little bit onto Pc vs Mac - I would like to know the best way for me to run a dual os. I currently have vista and want to add Linux, does anyone know the best way to go about this? I don't know how easy this is or the best way to go about it. http://www.dreamweaverclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

Cheers

davidj
08-02-2008, 04:48 PM
go get ubuntu if your wanting to try linux

http://www.ubuntu.com/

write the installation package to a disk and then boot from that disk and follow the instructions

make sure you have a partition ready although i think the ubuntu installation utility may do this too but i pre partitioned before installing

this is what i used for a Linux / vista OS dual boot

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 04:50 PM
Why would you want to do this? If your going to get the best results from linux the you want to use a separate machine. If your interested in developing with it I would recommend CentOS. download it here ----> http://www.centos.org/

as for dual booting: if your set on this use two separate drive as linux will make windows do really freaky stuff if it shares the same drive.

davidj
08-02-2008, 04:58 PM
that is complete nonsense

ubuntu has its own dual boot manager which launches each OS when selected

when in Linux mode the partition with vista is nothing more than a partition with files in it which are not accessed by the running OS which ever you use

i have a dual config currently which i use professionally and personally and have had no problems with either

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2369893842637434537

this feature is supported by ubuntu

Neon

please qualify your argument regarding not doing it this way

maybe a web cast or warning site or message from either vendor would do

davidj
08-02-2008, 05:11 PM
as for dual booting: if your set on this use two separate drive as linux will make windows do really freaky stuff if it shares the same drive.


hahahahaha

crack me up sometimes

rich follow the instructions on the video

neon try this http://www.homeandlearn.co.uk/BC/BeginnersComputing.html

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 06:00 PM
Ok DJ, Lets say he wants to use that linux (ubunto) as his development server. How do you expect he connect to it from from windows if he is dual booting.

Lets see that work. ;-)

davidj
08-02-2008, 06:06 PM
why use both at the same time ????

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 06:18 PM
Okay I will humor this as it can only benefit the member:

Lets just say you want to create a upload script or your trying to develop using the ftp, Uploads scripts work better in a real world scenario than on a local machine. If you are uploading to a separate server you get the best possible results in testing that way. This is particularly useful when developing back end control panels for e-commerce.

If you are using plug ins as most people do, (lets say Pure PHP Upload or Dreamweaver development toolkit) Uploads can experience all kids of issues if you don't have a seperate server. In that sort of case you wolud have to upload to check and see if all is working properly. Seperate servers solve that issue.

Now if you are an experienced coder this may not be the case. But the avarage user trys to use dreamwever in all its glory would benefit from having it this that way. Local Development isn't always the ideal situation.

In closing, Most companies use linux in there hosting facilities and developing in the proper situation will make life easier and programing times shorter.

davidj
08-02-2008, 07:00 PM
First read the initial post ..... !

here, let me help you...

I would like to know the best way for me to run a dual OS

I have emphasised (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/emphasise)the word dual for you...

Okay I will humor this as it can only benefit the member:.

nice one

Lets just say you want to create a upload script or your trying to develop using the ftp, Uploads scripts work better in a real world scenario than on a local machine.

yes real world is the best environment so i would test using the host i intended to go live with but that is not what was asked.

If you are uploading to a separate server you get the best possible results in testing that way.

yes real world is the best environment so i would test using the host i intended to go live with but that is not what was asked

This is particularly useful when developing back end control panels for e-commerce.

eh.. what backend controls require 2 machines.. Explain please

(lets say Pure PHP Upload or Dreamweaver development toolkit) Uploads can experience all kids of issues if you don't have a seperate server.

yes real world is the best environment so i would test using the host i intended to go live with but that is not what was asked

Now if you are an experienced coder this may not be the case. But the avarage user trys to use dreamwever in all its glory would benefit from having it this that way. Local Development isn't always the ideal situation.

so the average user needs two machines? thats quite a financial hit for a non professional or you could just use the host company for a few dollars a month which is what you would do anyway no matter what you build and develop whether that be a web site or an application but again thats not what was asked

In closing, Most companies use linux in there hosting facilities and developing in the proper situation will make life easier and programing times shorter

Actually most of the larger corps tend to run on windows servers driving .NET applications so I'm thinking that windows still has the lead.

In closing..... Read the first post requirements

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 07:06 PM
You old buggers just can't stand to be out done. I pass it to you old timer.

We can agree to disagree. Fair enough.

Would you like your cane. lol

davidj
08-02-2008, 07:13 PM
looks like I'm going to have to validate your replies on here just encase you give the wrong advice

don't think I'm watching over your shoulder though. I'm just making sure everyone gets the best and accurate advice

for the benefit of the members you know

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 07:18 PM
Looks like I hit a nerve. Sorry old timer didn't mean mean to make you need your meds. g'day

davidj
08-02-2008, 07:20 PM
please enlighten (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/enlighten)me to these controls you mentioned that need these 2 machines

I'm really interested (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/interested)about this

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 07:24 PM
Have you ever used Adobe Dreamweaver Developer Toolkit

davidj
08-02-2008, 07:33 PM
nope

never developed extensions for dreamweaver

have you?

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 07:35 PM
yip sure have

davidj
08-02-2008, 07:37 PM
great

let see it

what did you write it in?

what does it do?

send it to me

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 07:41 PM
go buy it like the rest. here you go DJ have a crack http://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver/addt/

davidj
08-02-2008, 07:45 PM
I'm not interested in the toolkit

I'm not an extension developer but I'm interested in the one you built

please tell me where i can buy it

or at least donate it to the members

you could sell it on here

what did you write it in again

send it to me or tell me where i can get it from please

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 07:46 PM
i never claimed to write extensions i use them to develop

davidj
08-02-2008, 07:50 PM
so when i said...

nope

never developed extensions for dreamweaver

have you?


and you replied


yip sure have


what was that then

a lie maybe

davidj
08-02-2008, 07:51 PM
Please see the post and answer it please

please enlighten (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/enlighten)me to these controls you mentioned that need these 2 machines

I'm really interested (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/interested)about this

neonfluxx
08-02-2008, 07:51 PM
what ever dj good day

davidj
08-02-2008, 08:04 PM
aww shucks

thought i might have learnt something

edbr
08-04-2008, 01:11 AM
I have the dual boot but with linux and xp try it I first used a system knopix, which is a try from the disc , but ubuntu is the best one to go with.
you questions lead to long debates , dont take it to heart :)

neonfluxx
08-04-2008, 02:49 AM
have you ever used CentOS ed?

edbr
08-04-2008, 03:28 AM
no i haven't, i am looking to replace windows in my office with a system that can use certain programs which i need , when i update their computers.
so far what ive looked at so far, ubuntu seems the likely winner

davidj
08-04-2008, 07:51 AM
it has some great support and i think is leading the race with the linux flavours.

edbr
08-04-2008, 08:24 AM
it has some great support and i think is leading the race with the linux flavours.
which ubuntu or CentOS? I looked and saw that it was based on red hat

davidj
08-04-2008, 08:33 AM
ubuntu of course

i have the latest Hardy Heron installed which offers some really nice features

also by using Wine you can run windows apps on the platform

edbr
08-04-2008, 08:51 AM
right,of course. not so sure about red hat as debian seems to be the most recommended and user friendly,

davidj
08-04-2008, 09:06 AM
i have actually got ubuntu running on my partitioned PS3

edbr
08-04-2008, 09:26 AM
actually i downloaded hardt heron, but as my download speed here is embarassing i applied for a free copy to be sent to me, an actually got it delivered free of charge,took a few weeks but it impressed the hell out of me

davidj
08-04-2008, 09:38 AM
nice one mate

let me know how you get on

Rich1e
08-04-2008, 06:43 PM
I have kubunto on a live cd, which I am going to install - do I need to install a seperate partition manager or will kubunto take care of it? the idea is to run linux for business work and vista for personal.

I appreciate everyones comments.

davidj
08-04-2008, 06:47 PM
the intall disk has a partition manager

watch the vid

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2369893842637434537

Rich1e
08-04-2008, 08:15 PM
Thanks David, I followed the video and it is working, thanks for your help.http://www.dreamweaverclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

Rob_Che
08-27-2008, 11:08 PM
Glad this thread came to a happy ending.
Thought there was going to be tears for a minute!

davidj
08-28-2008, 05:39 AM
there were a few kidney punches behind the scenes!

i just used the shaking palm

victory was mine

neonfluxx
08-28-2008, 05:23 PM
he wishes :-D

Death Dream
08-28-2008, 09:28 PM
Google Partitioning.

~Death Dream~

Ricky55
08-29-2008, 12:35 AM
Why bother honestly, is Linux really worth the trouble?

I installed it, messed about with it and went straight back to OS X to get on with my work.

For me its just for enthusiasts, its not a serious alternative to OS X or Windows, there are just too many programs that don't work with it for me.

Ricky55
08-29-2008, 12:37 AM
Really it goes back to an earlier post, sack off Vista, forget about Linux and get a proper computer, a Mac.

neonfluxx
08-29-2008, 06:06 AM
Amen to that Ricky. Once you had Mac you never go back lol.

Corrosive
08-29-2008, 06:49 AM
Amen to that Ricky. Once you had Mac you never go back lol.

Nooooooooo! Can we please never have this 'debate' again?

edbr
08-29-2008, 07:11 AM
its not a debate its just boring. use what ever toys you all want

Corrosive
08-29-2008, 07:18 AM
its not a debate its just boring. use what ever toys you all want

Hear, hear Ed. A voice of reason :)

davidj
08-29-2008, 07:57 AM
LINUX FOREVER

AND PC'S TOO!!!!!!

MAC's ARE SHITE

neonfluxx
08-29-2008, 08:00 AM
I'm sure you can afford it DJ :wink:

davidj
08-29-2008, 08:03 AM
haha

just messing

Ricky55
08-29-2008, 11:28 AM
Guys like me and you Neon appreciate the finer things in life.

Scrubbers will always use cheap weak alternatives.

I love this debate you can't beat a bit of healthy banter on the forum.

Ricky55
08-29-2008, 11:30 AM
BTW I like your new avatar Corrosive, better than the last one.

davidj
08-29-2008, 11:54 AM
I love this debate .



wrong terminology!

Debate...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate

Scrubbers will always use cheap weak alternatives.


Scrubbers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubber

i have never removed any particulates of any size or gases from industrial exhaust streams. I promise i haven't! (is this an insult?)
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Try down to earth swearing and insulting if its too difficult to come up with a clever retort.

also

This does not constitute an intelligent argument with the power to qualify and quantify your view through expression and persuasion to swing the views of the target audience in your favour.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubber"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubber)


cheap

what do you mean by cheap? Expense ? tell me more

weak

not sure if you can use that when describing a PC!

"I'm in the market for a PC that is not weak!"

MMMmmm never heard that used in that context

Corrosive
08-29-2008, 01:02 PM
Guys like me and you Neon appreciate the finer things in life.

What, like moisturiser, wine bars and shirt lifting? Do me a favour boys. Real men use PCs. :wink:

Corrosive
08-29-2008, 01:03 PM
BTW I like your new avatar Corrosive, better than the last one.

Cheers Rick. I've been trawling through some PS tuts.

domedia
08-29-2008, 02:08 PM
What, like moisturiser, wine bars and shirt lifting? Do me a favour boys. Real men use PCs. :wink: Hey, metrosexual is the politically correct term ;-)

Corrosive
08-29-2008, 02:15 PM
Hey, metrosexual is the politically correct term ;-)

I know mate and I should really stop contributing to this long and pointless discussion. :roll:

neonfluxx
08-29-2008, 05:00 PM
If you work on the production industry like I do you would see the difference. Mac is intended as a high end production machine and always has been. They don't cater to the people who can't afford them. Every major production house use mac. (ILM, Rythm & Hues, Rain Maker just to name a few) and lets not even begin to talk about render farms as you will never see a high end production house have a Microsoft Render Farm. What Do They Use (Unix or Linux), would be the name of that.

So in what capacity is windows the better system for true production? None Thats where.

domedia
08-29-2008, 05:25 PM
Mac is for sure almost an industry standard in some professions/industries. Regular programmers don't care very much one way or the other as far as I've seen. As long as they can put a *nix flavor on it they're happy. Mac seems to be pretty much standard for graphic designers, videographers, the media industry and similar fields. It seems to be more used by students as well.. maybe because of their great commercials ;-) For the rest of the world.. the *cough* majority, we like our PC's and the games we can play on them ;-) I've worked on both and if Mac's were cheaper I'd consider going back for sure.

How it used to be with macs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVwbhsqEyNI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0byal1bDUtA

2 good ole classics :-)

davidj
08-29-2008, 05:31 PM
If you work on the production industry like I do you would see the difference.

what do you do?

Mac is intended as a high end production machine and always has been.

so every production house (TV/film ) use mac's? Not one PC at all?

They don't cater to the people who can't afford them.
they are only a couple of K off the shelf (thats GBP)

Every major production house use mac. (ILM, Rythm & Hues, Rain Maker just to name a few) and lets not even begin to talk about render farms as you will never see a high end production house have a Microsoft Render Farm.

Render farms are based on processing power and will be upgradeable rack servers to allow extendability. They have nothing to do with a manufacturer. They just crunching numbers.

http://www.renderfarm.net/specifications.htm
http://www.rendernation.com/index.php?menu=technical


What Do They Use (Unix or Linux), would be the name of that.

on a mac?

So in what capacity is windows the better system for true production? None Thats where.

you cant use ....

None Thats where.

you have to qualify it with evidence. Its like saying my dads harder than your dad. We have to get them in a ring to find out. It called proving the argument.

also you have changed the debate from mac v PC to windows O/S v ???!

Keep up!

neonfluxx
08-29-2008, 06:21 PM
"they are only a couple of K off the shelf (that's GBP)"

That's why you can't afford it a DJ. I understand. It's Okay. :wink:

davidj
08-29-2008, 06:22 PM
hehe

come on

you can do better than that

neonfluxx
08-29-2008, 06:24 PM
what do you have dj lets see it. Let see your studios I can show you mine.

domedia
08-29-2008, 09:35 PM
Take it in private guys.
Please, I don't want any more threads hijacked by personal quarrels.

Thread closed.